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Soloist joining in with the orchestra after the concerto

Edited: May 12, 2017, 3:34 AM · This is a reprise of my original post of May 7. (http://www.violinist.com/discussion/archive/29453/)

On May 6 I was playing in a concert in which the main item in the first half was the Sibelius VC, performed faultlessly and with fire by 16-year old Cristina Dimitrova, a pupil at Wells Cathedral School in England. I believe she is Russian. She encored with a spectacular Kreisler's "Tambourin Chinois".

The second half of the concert was Saint-Saens' 3rd Symphony, the "Organ", chosen to celebrate the refurbishment of the church's organ, which included tuning it up to A440 for working with modern orchestras. When we returned to the platform after the interval I found our soloist sitting next to me in the firsts, ready to play. I must say her presence was invaluable and much appreciated by the section in that demanding symphony.

This is the first time I've had a visiting soloist join in with the orchestra after a concerto. Have others had this experience? Is it that uncommon?

Cristina was using the "Russian" string set-up - steel E and A, with, I believe, covered gut D and G. It projected extremely well.

Here is a YouTube link to part of the concerto being performed by Cristina in the 14th-century church of St Mary, Yatton (see Wikipedia for its history).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivxx_qsmNls

The video was filmed with a hand-held camera by someone in the audience. I was sitting outside 3rd desk in the firsts, off camera most of the time.

Replies (9)

May 9, 2017, 11:07 AM · James Ehnes performed a concerto with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra a year or two ago (can't remember which one right now, I'm still marveling at his performance of the Walton viola concerto a couple of weeks ago). For the second half of the concert, he sat in with the second violins. It must have been a thrill for the seconds, and was certainly a cool move. He's obviously not full of himself.
Edited: May 10, 2017, 2:35 AM · Yehudi Menuhin, after playing a concerto at the Three Choirs Festival in England in the 1950s is said to have played in the second violins in the second half of the concert, to the puzzlement of the elderly conductor, Ralph Vaughan Williams, who couldn't understand why someone so like Menuhin was in the orchestra.

I remember seeing Vaughan Williams at a concert in Bristol's Colston Hall in the '50s. The great man was invited onto the platform to receive applause for one of his symphonies that had just been performed, promptly got lost in the viola section (of course!) and had to be rescued by the conductor.

The layout of the Colston Hall platform could be confusing sometimes, even for a solo recitalist. Another of my memories was seeing Artur Rubinstein, after the first half of his piano recital, walking off stage into the piano cupboard instead of the green room exit, to everyone's amusement, including his own, when he emerged.

May 9, 2017, 7:57 PM · I saw Ray Chen perform the Sibelius in Montreal just over a year ago. I remember seeing the orchestra finish their last orchestral piece only to realize that Ray had been sitting in the back of the 2nds, being part of the orchestra!
May 9, 2017, 9:00 PM · I was told Yo Yo Ma always joins the orchestra cello section after playing his concerto. Have anyone seen him doing that?
May 10, 2017, 12:15 PM · I think that's pretty neat; there's some fun stuff to play, and when else will they get to play with an orchestra with their busy schedules?
Edited: May 12, 2017, 3:34 AM · Jason, that's a very good point, especially as far as the younger soloists are concerned, giving them the chance to play magnificent not-often-performed orchestral pieces such as the Saint-Saens "Organ" symphony. I'm pretty sure Cristina Dimitrova was sight-reading (very accurately) the first violin part in our concert! Not only that, it gives a considerable boost to a section in community orchestras.
May 11, 2017, 7:04 AM · I've only ever seen one occasion where the soloist joined in with the orchestra. The soloist had performed Walton viola concerto and asked the music director if he could play the symphony, can't remember which one, as he had played it before.

The music director agreed and the soloist later realised he had never played the symphony before and had sight read the whole thing.

It's nice when soloists do this as quite a few don't even hang around to hear the 2nd half let alone join in.

May 11, 2017, 9:26 AM · When they join the seconds in particular (or violas or cellos - or double basses), it really does strengthen that section. And in terms of musicianship, laying an accompanying part well does present a different challenge. Also the spirit of a community orchestra can be refreshing. And lastly, some soloists have ambitions to conduct some day, and what better preparation for that?
May 11, 2017, 11:06 AM · Many soloists probably can't stay for the second half even if they want to, because they have travelling to do.

Pity also the poor concert pianist. If they can't play a string instrument really well (some do, I believe) then they just can't join in for the second half!

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